Hey, it is the moment I'm Brian Coppillmann.

Paris Barclay, who is my guest today, is somebody I look up to a tremendous amount.

He's one of the most successful directors in Hollywood, but who cares?

He's a great man who has accomplished a tremendous amount as a human being, as a leader.

We got to work together, and I was really thinking, we got to work together.

Your copy is older than me, but I was in my early 30s.

And although that's a grown-up in your response with reactions, there's such a difference in working

with people when you're in the 30s and when you're in your mid-50s.

Absolutely. Difference for me, too. We'll talk about that.

Yes, we will, but the world and I love the experience of working with you.

We made a pilot that was the highest testing pilot that you directed at David and I wrote.

It was the highest testing pilot that ABC had that year and in their infinite wisdom,

they decided not to put it on television.

Which is the way they roll.

God bless them.

It is.

It was the way Michael Eisner rolled at that particular moment in time and it was kind of

broke our hearts because we had the full experience of the production guy saying,

of crying at the test and saying, you guys are moving to California.

Just all this horrible stuff that they do to you.

But you weren't alone.

I mean, I did a pilot the year before for them.

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