Hey, this is the moment, a brand compliment.

Thanks for listening.

I'm thrilled to be talking to Jay Boberg,

who's somebody who before I got to know him,

and I've known Jay for a very, very long time now,

but he was someone who was like a figure

of total fascination because he ran

the most important independent record company.

Maybe still to this, you know, there are a few companies,

I guess Subpop has a claim.

There are a few record companies, I think, now

that could say they were in, in the same sort of sphere

of influence, but I think the argument can also be made

that none of them would have had a roadmap

if it weren't for what you did, Jay, with IRS records,

a label that had REM most notably in B52s, right?

And, and originally goes, yeah, go goes.

Concrete blonde, finite cannibals, English B.

Yes, most notably REM, as I said, most notably,

most notably REM for this particular podcast.

And, and your, you know, your career to me

and your life really is fascinating

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