Hey guys, before we jump into today's interview,

you just want to give you a quick heads up

that my conversation with Chris today

is a little bit heavier than the conversations

that we normally have on this show.

There's nothing explicit or anything like that,

but it's just heavy and it's emotionally heavy.

And so if you're listening with kids around,

again, there's nothing explicit,

there's no vulgarity or any kind of topics

that your kids wouldn't be able to listen to,

but just from an overall perspective,

the conversation is kind of emotionally intense.

And so it might not be the best episode to listen

to if your kids are around.

That being said, I'm really excited about the interview

because it's powerful and I do think it's gonna point you

to Jesus and just help you lead your family well

as you listen to Chris's story.

Before we jump into that though,

I do want to thank my friends over at Crossway

for sponsoring today's episode.

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