Podcast I'm not played nobody Alex Kirsner you were supposed to be in the mountains right about now

but obviously we can't do that so we're doing the next best thing?

We are I was planning to be down actually in Boone, North Carolina on

vacation this week. We were going to do an interview down there with Appalachian

States new head coach Sean Clark. Talk to him a little bit about how to build

and sustain a really strong program at the group of five level and before that at the

FCS level I think App State really should just be referred to as a really strong football program in general.

And we want to talk about that.

So he was gracious enough to join us over Zoom.

Sean Clark's been around quite a bit.

He's an App State guy, played there in the 1990s on the offensive line under

Jerry Moore bounced around at a bunch of places as an assistant. Rejoined App State in

2016 on Scott Satterfield staff stayed there with Eli Drinkwitz in 2019 and is now in the big chair.

So we're going to talk to him a lot about how App has built and sustained and what their plans are going forward and hopefully

find some instructive lessons about program building in general.

He is, I mean, extremely Appalachate, as you noted.

App State is interesting to me,

and I'm glad we kind of got a way to do this interview,

because I think a lot gets made of Georgia Southern's success

at the FCS level, and then their success after jumping to

FBS. But Appalachian State has done it as well, at least at the FCS level more recently where national

championships are concerned and then jumped would you if you had to kind of

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