I'm one of like three million expert trans people who talk to Emily Bazelon. So like trust what I say I've

literally explained all of this to her on the phone. I was sitting in my office and we had a long

conversation where I was like, look, you need to make some real serious decisions about how you're

framing this piece because one, you're going to make historically

inaccurate and factually incorrect claims. And two, the way you're setting this up in this

sort of both sides, you know, kind of framework, I think is really dangerous and damaging.

And, uh, well...

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So for today's show, Artie, Phil, and I are joined by two returning guests to talk about the fallout around a New York Times article by Emily Bazelon called the Battle

Over Gender Therapy, which some people in the media have described as being about, quote,

unquote, one of the most contentious issues on the planet by which they mean it is about

trans health care standards, social transition, and a general right to life in our society

for trans people, all of which

have been under increasing attack for years.

So we've asked good friends of the panel, Jules Gil Peterson and Charlie Mark Breider, to help

us talk about what is really going on here.

Our first guest, Jules Gil Peterson, is an associate professor of history at Johns Hopkins University and the author of the award-winning book, Histories of the Transgender Child.

She is also a co-editor at the journal TSQ Transgender Studies Quarterly and writes the substack, Sad Brown Girl.

Jules, welcome back to the death panel.

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