Panel: From Woke Left to Woke Right | James Lindsay & Michael O'Fallon

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🗓️ 10 December 2025

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Saving American Liberty, Session 6 At the Saving American Liberty learning seminar hosted by New Discourses in Dallas, Texas, on August 22-23, 2025, New Discourses founder James Lindsay and Sovereign Nations founder Michael O'Fallon sat down in front of the audience for a live, unscripted, and raw discussion about the circumstances and challenges Lindsay has faced for standing up to the "New Right" (or, if you want, "Dissident Right," "Postliberal Right," or "Woke Right"). The audience was shocked to hear what Lindsay revealed. Their conversation wasn't limited only to this issue, however. It also tied Lindsay's personal experience into the broader context of the radical movements we're facing from both Left and Right at the same time, helping people to make sense of the bigger play that's taking place that is neither Left nor Right but using radical elements within both to cut our society apart like a pair of scissors. Join Lindsay and O'Fallon and their live audience for this unique conversation so you can gain clarity and perspective on what's happening all around us in the war against Woke. Latest from New Discourses Press! The Queering of the American Child: https://queeringbook.com/ Support New Discourses: https://newdiscourses.com/support Follow New Discourses on other platforms: https://newdiscourses.com/subscribe Follow James Lindsay: https://linktr.ee/conceptualjames © 2025 New Discourses. All rights reserved. #NewDiscourses #JamesLindsay #wokeright

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0:00.0	I know for a lot of you, this got started with a conversation that I had with James on a rooftop in New York City.
0:25.1	And so I think a lot of our conversations have become quite famous.
0:30.0	So I think this one, we haven't had a conversation taped, I think, in two or three years.
0:35.4	So with all the things that are going on now, I think it's good that
0:39.4	we have this conversation. So James, when we talk about what's happened with you and your
0:46.4	life as well as with us over the past two years is that we were trying to warn people. Let's
0:53.5	go back to 2019. So 2019, when James and I
0:58.2	first had our conversation in the rooftop in New York City, while we were waiting for the right
1:05.6	light to be there, I'm weird, I'm sorry, but I wanted to make sure that we were shooting
1:09.9	in the right light.
1:16.5	And it was kind of harsh out. So I started talking to James and Peter and explained to them that what's going to happen is this is just the first phase of the dialectic. And the next phase
1:24.2	is going, and what we're trying to beat, bless you, what we're trying to beat right now is the next phase and get ahead of it to make sure that we can hopefully, you know, make sure that it has no impact.
1:34.5	And that next phase was going to be the reaction phase. It was going to be the white, right-sided, we're going to take revenge now, retribution and so forth.
1:48.0	So what I would say in Woke Left was the gospel of vengeance, the gospel of resentment,
1:57.0	well now we're just going to take the same gospel of vengeance and resentment.
2:00.0	We're going to put it on the right side.
2:02.4	And so now we're going to start this. And I know for you, you know, you kind of started to yeah, that would be the logical thing. It actually came up in our discussion that we had then later, like you said at the end. So what do you want to do? Start a civil war? A race war, actually.
2:15.3	Race war.
2:15.9	We were talking about CRT.
2:17.2	And I said, you know, what are they trying to do?
2:19.6	Start a race war.
2:20.4	And you were kind race war, actually. Race war. We were talking about CRT. And I said, you know, what are they trying to do, start a race war? And you were kind of like, yes, that's pretty much exactly right. And so how do you get a race war? Well, you get everybody pushing for racial privilege and entitlement on one side until you get the rubber band to snap. And then like Jordan Peterson said in the clip we
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