I'm Autumn Brown, a queer science fiction writer, a theologian, a parent in desperate

need of a shower, and a healing justice facilitator for social movements living on Dakota

and a Nishinabe land currently known as Minneapolis and I'm Adrian Marie Brown, a possibly

even queer writer, student of miracles and a love emergent strategist and pleasure activist

living in the land of the Lombi peoples currently known as Durham North Carolina.

And while it's not a competition, this is how to survive the end of the world.

Our very queer podcast about learning from apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity.

And Autumn and I are having a blast today. We're very excited because we have Angela and

Fania Davis here with us for the sibling mini series. We can't believe this happened. It was a

dream come true almost at the moment of articulating that we wanted to do this mini series. Y'all were

like the first two things we thought of. We're like, oh, that would be so amazing. That would be

so cool. And both of you in your own rights have had incredible, incredible impact on the work of

abolition, on the work of restorative justice, and on shaping how we imagine what this moment is

in time and what can come. So we're super excited to be in this conversation with y'all.

And we always start off with a check-in just going around and seeing how everyone's doing. So

Fania, how are you doing?

Hi, it's so good to see both of your faces and to see my sister's face as well.

I am a little exhausted, you know, this isn't a clip, right, a full moon and a clip.

Yes, we're in it. Did you intentionally choose to do our interview on this day?

Yes, that was on our list.

Well, I'm just so honored to be in your presence and to be with my sister. I think this is the first

time we've ever done an interview. Maybe not the first time, maybe the second. Yes, did a very

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