Hello and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I'm Katie from Wellnessmama.com. And this episode is all about pans and pandas, what they are and understanding how to thrive through these childhood neuroimmune disorders. And if you're not familiar with these, Dr. Jabin gives a lot of detail understanding about what they are, what's connected to them,

what causes them, and the very nuanced way to work through treatment to not make things worse

and how full recovery is in fact possible with the right understanding of what's going on in

your particular body. And Dr. Jaben Moore and his team run the Redefining Wellness Center

in Kansas City, Missouri, and also see clients virtually worldwide. He helps people in all

walks of life and with all ranges of conditions. And he specializes in lime, mold, pans and pandas,

autism, parasitic infections, and environmental toxicities, as you will immediately hear

in this episode. He is an abundance of knowledge and very good at explaining these concepts

in easy to understand and key takeaway format. So let's learn from Dr. Jaben Moore. Dr. Javan,

welcome back. Thank you for being here again. Oh, thanks for having me. I love it.

Well, we had an incredible first episode together this time recording all about mold, and you explained so brilliantly a multifaceted approach for finding out if there's been mold issues and treating it and how it relates to so many other things that might be going on in the body, and I will link to that one in the show notes. In this one, I would love to switch gears and tackle another topic that might be really relevant to a lot of parents listening and that some people listening might not even realize

how relevant it is to them. And that is the topic of pans and pandas. And I think to start broad,

I would guess people have heard those terms, but in case they haven't, can you define for us what they are and what the key differences are between the two?

So Pans and Pandas is alphabet soup. It's pediatric neural onset of a psychiatric disorder caused by strep. So that's Pandas.

Pans is basically the exact same thing not caused by strep. So it's any causation out there.

So what it boils down to scientifically speaking is your brain has inflammation happening due to an

immune response triggered by something. So in Pandas case, it's triggered by

strep. By pans, it can be caused by mold toxicity, Lyme disease, parasites, viruses, trauma,

honestly, anything that generates an immune system reaction. So for those of listening,

if you've ever heard of rheumato arthritis, MS, strogrins, lupus, any of these autoimmune

conditions, it's thought, and I've got a lot of thoughts on this, but it's thought that your

body is attacking a tissue type.

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