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The Counsel

Pam Bondi Is Gone, but the Stain on the Justice Department Will Remain

The Counsel

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Politics

4.7861 Ratings

🗓️ 3 April 2026

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

Elie Honig is a former Assistant U.S. Attorney and co-chief of the organized crime unit at the Southern District of New York, where he prosecuted more than 100 mobsters, including members of La Cosa Nostra, and the Gambino and Genovese crime families. He went on to serve as Director of the Department of Law and Public Safety at New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice. He is currently Special Counsel at Lowenstein Sandler and a CNN legal analyst.  For a transcript of Elie’s note and the full archive of contributor notes, head to CAFE.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:42.5

Hey, everyone, Ellie here, wishing you a happy Friday. Well, I did not expect to be coming to you today.

0:48.6

I said earlier in the week we did a drop on Tuesday because of the Passover and Good Friday holidays and to preview the

0:55.7

birthright citizenship oral argument in the Supreme Court on Wednesday.

0:59.9

Well, that argument has happened.

1:02.0

Now, look, most of you know I try to not be explicitly predictive in my media capacity

1:08.8

when it comes to legal issues.

1:10.1

I think there's a role for us to explain and put in context.

1:16.1

I try to avoid saying, this side's going to win, this side's going to lose.

1:19.3

I'll tell you if I think an argument's stronger or weaker.

1:21.7

But I did get pretty aggressively predictive when it came to birthright citizenship that Trump

1:26.6

would lose.

1:27.4

Having now heard the oral argument in the Supreme Court, I feel even more confident in that

1:32.7

prediction. Now, the reason we're coming back to you for a second time this week, of course,

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