For me, it means that we have the right to reject surveillance.

Surveillance in the modern terms, but also the right to reject the colonial apparatus,

which seeks to make everything visible, to grasp, as Gleissant describes it, to order, to categorize, to classify,

according to their logic.

And so in the same sense, we also have this right to be seen or unseen.

It's our choice.

And I think, and you can see that kind of even in the operations of the resistance

in terms of when they decide to reveal their operations and when they don't.

Welcome everyone to a new edition of Maghti Street.

Today we're delighted to have with us, Hadil al-Assali.

Hadeel is an anthropologist and a former chemical engineer.

Hadeel's research focuses on Gaza, southern Palestine, obviously, and intimate relations between the people and the land,

and how this relationship forms a bulwark against colonial violence. Hadila's research,

secret population transfer schemes from Gaza will talk about a little later in this podcast.

She's also worked on the tunnels of Gaza, their history and their meaning.

She's also talked about different forms of resistance, including mutual aid efforts in the face of the current genocide in Gaza.

And she's now focusing on the potential role of clay in the remediation of military contamination.

Hadil is currently a postdoctoral scholar at the Center for Science and Society and the Lecture in the Department of Earth and Environmental Studies at Sciences, sorry, at Columbia University, which of course is now in the news, where she teaches a seminar entitled Science Underground Decolonial Methods.

Hadil, it's a huge pleasure and honor for us to have you on with us on Magdisi Street and welcome.

Thank you so much for having me.

This is a huge honor to be part of your podcast.

Okay, so Hadil, obviously you're at Columbia, you're in New York, I understand.

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