And the Oh, We have the pleasure today on Nachba day to be joined by Francis Haso.

Francis, do you want to just introduce yourself to our listeners?

So I'm Francis Haso. Do you want to just introduce yourself to our listeners?

So I'm Francis Haso. I teach at Duke University in gender sexuality and feminist studies history and sociology.

And I am also in the Black Alliance for Peace, Solidarity Network, and in Duke academics and staff for justice in Palestine, among other affiliations.

And I work on, I guess, my training is on the Arab world.

My dissertation was about Palestine.

It was about the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Women's Organization, and I've written also

monographs on Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, and my recent book is also on Palestine.

It's called Buried in the Red Dirt, Race, Reproduction, and Death in Modern Palestine.

And I've published a lot on social movements the PLO

violence you know those kinds of questions. Yeah that's a those are all topics that I of want to get into in this interview.

But before we started, I was wondering maybe if you can just describe what the Nachba means to you, and because it's a term that I think has become more popularized right now

especially in this moment after you know October 7th but I think people such as yourself and myself, we've known this term for a while.

It's something that's very, you know, it's a concept that's been thrown around a lot in

Palestinian movements.

I think it's something that's misunderstood, it's

temporalized, it's historicized, it has this kind of histiography, so to speak.

So maybe you can give us some working definitions of how you think through that term.

I mean the neckbir means catastrophe in Arabic and it marks sort of a historical culmination with the Zionist project in historic Palestine of

dispossession, right, and also the establishment of the state of Israel.

But before that there was dispossession and after that there was dispossession.

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