Oxtails, "Chicken 66," and Science With Krishna Choudhary, PhD, and Lester Nare of the From First Principles Podcast

The Dave Chang Show

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Food, Society & Culture, Arts

4.8 • 8.7K Ratings

🗓️ 12 March 2026

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

Dave makes Jamaican oxtails and "Chicken 66," an amalgamation of Chicken 65 and chilli chicken, for two smart guests: Lester Nare and physicist Krishna Choudhary, cohosts of one of his favorite podcasts, From First Principles. They talk about how they began their journeys in science, formed a friendship, and found a podcast format that works for both them and the layperson listener. They also discuss why science is important overall, Dave's unified theory of deliciousness, fresh spices versus ground, and, of course, MSG. Check out From First Principles: https://www.ffppod.com/ Check out From First Principles' double-slit episode: https://www.ffppod.com/episodes/ep3 Read Dave's "Unified Theory of Deliciousness" article: https://www.wired.com/2016/07/chef-david-chang-on-deliciousness/ Learn more about Diamond Crystal salt: https://www.diamondcrystalsalt.com/kosher-salt Learn more about Ajinomoto MSG: https://www.ajinomoto.com/ Learn more about Accent: https://accentflavor.com/product/flavor-enhancer/ Visit us in stores and online https://Warbyparker.com/CHANG Host: Dave Chang Guests: Lester Nare, Krishna Choudary Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Michael Berger, Abby Zidonis, Marcus Yasui, Michael Delgado, Elizabeth Styles Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey guys, today I'm making Jamaican oxtails and chicken 66, which I'm never made before.
0:11.1	And for my guests today, we have Lester and Krishna from First Principles podcast.
0:17.4	Stick around for science and some good conversation.
0:22.6	Welcome to the Dave Chang Show, part of the Ringer Podcast Network, presented by Major
0:25.8	Duma Media.
0:26.8	We are on Spotify and also Netflix.
0:30.8	Join today with, once we figured out we were going to start doing this on Netflix, I was
0:35.2	like, hey, who do you want his guest?
0:37.0	And they were like, hey, let's get all these celebrities. You guys are like top of my, top of my list. That's crazy. Yeah, that's really, that's really, no, that's actually crazy. You guys were based in LA, and I knew that just from listening to you guys. And for those that don't know, you should do yourselves a favor and listen or watch,
0:54.4	because they're available on basically all the services from First Principles.
0:58.9	We have the hosts of that show, Krishna Chowdhury, Lester Nare, and from First Principles,
1:07.3	I love it.
1:09.0	It's like my favorite podcast.
1:10.7	I feel like for all the classes I cheated and didn't listen to in high school and college, I was like, because my great regret is, man, like, I wish I took this shit more seriously. It's just like amazing. And you guys do a great job. Sometimes it's still very difficult for me to understand, but you guys are taking extremely dense topics and making it fun. My favorite thing was when you guys basically
1:32.9	did like the Nobel Prize draft. Yeah, that was classic. Yes. And I got one of them right. Yeah,
1:40.1	you did. I did. I got one of them right. I called one of them, the chemistry one. The other
1:44.2	ones I was way off. We did predictions basically the week before, and we treated it like
1:49.5	sports. Yeah, and I love how you guys were like rooting for the Princeton and the UCLA,
1:54.1	because this is, it was just cool. You never hear about science in that way. So that was really cool.
2:00.2	And I fell into you guys because I can't remember why, but I went down those rabbit holes
2:05.4	because, like, once I fell on your explanation of the double slit theory and you guys were
2:11.1	doing that next test they did at MIT.
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