Hello and welcome to this bonus episode of Out with Susie Ruffle with me, Susie Ruffle.

Now I'm very excited to bring you Series 4 in a couple of weeks.

I hope that you've had a nice restful summer and that you've got to do some things that you've really enjoyed.

I'm very excited that I'll be dropping back into your feed weekly, but keep an eye out for it,

and I've got, hoo-hoo, I have got some excellent episodes coming up for you and so I really hope that you enjoy them

but I wanted to share something a little bit different with you today because my friend

Emily Sergeant who's a journalist has recently released her own podcast.

And I think if you listen to this podcast and you enjoy this show,

this could really be for you as well.

It's called Thinking Straight, and she has done a deep dive into what is going on within conversion therapy.

And she's joining me today for a conversation and I think it's really important.

I was blown away by how brilliant this podcast series is and I think if you enjoy

this podcast and you've got any interest in coming out on people's journey to coming out

then I think this podcast by Emily thinking Thinking Straight is essential listening.

So I've got Emily here with me today.

Hi, Em.

Hi, Susie, thank you so much for having me.

You're also missing out that you're a very big part of the podcast.

I am an occasional part of the podcast.

I am an occasional part of the podcast in that sometimes you talk to me about what's going

on as your sort of queer friend.

Your queer sounding board friend? Your queer sounding board friend?

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