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Hello, dear listener and welcome welcome to Owning It the Anxiety Podcast with me, Caroline Forin.

I'm the author of Owning It, your bullshit-free guide to living with anxiety and the confidence

kit. And if you're interested in either or both books, they're available wherever in the

world that you are, and I will pop the

link to Amazon in the podcast description. So this week I am venturing into territory that I have not

yet covered a little bit out of my depth as I'm sitting down with Ian Madigan Rugby Star to talk

all about rugby, but more specifically about the anxiety he's experienced as a professional

athlete and what we can learn from his training, from what is required to perform at that elite

level and how we can apply it to our lives off the pitch. I was just so impressed with

Ian's whole mentality around resilience and his ability to bounce back and his ability to

cope with setbacks. And it's actually so impressive the amount of, I guess, mental health training

that goes along with performing at that elite level. And there's so much to be learned from it.

Even if you're not a sports, I mean, I don't have a fucking clue. I'm not a sports person at all, I barely make it to the gym twice a week.

But whether you're a rugby fan or not is irrelevant.

This is about resilience, this is about how to cope in life, in any kind of career, in any

kind of working environment. And I think there's so much to be learned from Ian Madigan's attitude and his advice

and I just have a newfound respect for rugby and for all sports people who you know it's really so much more than the physical prowess of the athlete it's it's the resilience as I say and yeah there's a lot we can learn from it so I hope you enjoy and as always thank you so much

for subscribing and for reviewing and I'll be back next week.

Ian Madigan thank you so so much for joining me on owning it the anxiety podcast.

I have to start with the full disclosure which is that I do have anxiety about this episode because I'm a little bit out of my depth on the rugby chat and I have the start with the full disclosure, which is that I do have anxiety about this episode

because I'm a little bit out of my depth on the rugby chat and I have the pressure of my

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