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Hello and welcome back to owning it, the anxiety podcast with me, your host, Caroline Forin, author

of owning it and owns it in the US and of course the confidence kit. This week I am joined by someone

you might not know, you might not be familiar with unless you follow me on Instagram. It's my brother,

my big brother, and I can assure

you it is essential listening. My brother, Daniel, who is six years older than me, five and a half

years older, if you were splitting hairs, who I always thought of as completely bulletproof. He actually

had his own experience with anxiety throughout his life. But instead of anxiety about being, you know, away from home or having tummy troubles like me, that kind of thing.

For him, it was anxiety brought on by a stammer.

So if you or anyone you know lives with a stammer or experiences any kind of social anxiety at all,

I mean, it doesn't have to be because of a stammer. This episode is completely for you. I've learned so much from chatting to my big brother

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