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Hello and welcome back to Seasonsubstack.com. Thank you. Hello and welcome back to season five of owning it the anxiety podcast with me, Caroline

Foreign. Just before we get into this chat, I want to remind you that my new book,

Naked, is out, and it's the new bullshit free guide to creating a calmer life, and it's called

Naked Ten Truths to Change Your

Life and I'm so proud of this one. It really is something that was very hard for me to put

together in that it required me to be so vulnerable with myself and that is the point of the

whole book is to own our vulnerability and make life a lot easier and there's a lot in the book

which I'll go through at some point in various episodes but for now it's available wherever you buy your books online. So thank you so much if you do

get naked. I appreciate the support. Obviously I mean getting naked by buying the book, not taking

your clothes off. So for my episode today, I'm joined by a very, very accomplished man in his 40s

called Gareth Mullins, who is an executive head chef at a five-star

hotel here in Dublin called The Marker and Gareth is someone who I've met a few times and we have

always gotten on well. He reached out to me last year when he was having a hard time with anxiety

and I remember being so taken aback that someone of his, I suppose, level of accomplishment and being a man

would be willing to reach out to someone like me and say, actually, do you know what, I'm not

okay? And it was really a good sign that, look, men are starting to really own their anxiety

and talk about it and want to get, you know, help. So, Gareth was very kind and willing to chat

to me just now about his experience of anxiety

and how he balances that with his very fast-driven, hectic lifestyle as a chef in a very busy

kitchen where things can get heated and there's no room for mistakes. So I hope you enjoy this chat.

I think it will really make a lot of difference to people who are maybe struggling with the shame around mental health and who are very much driven towards perfection, which I definitely can relate to as well.

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