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Hello, dear listener and welcome back to Owning It, the Anxiety podcast with me, Caroline Foran.substack.com. Thank you. Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to owning it, the anxiety podcast, with me, Caroline

Foran. So we are now well into season two, and I hope that you are enjoying it as much as I'm

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And this week I am joined by comedian Des Bishop.

So you know him well, I'm sure, and you've been to his comedy gigs all over the world,

and you might be a follower of his own podcast called The Shift. So Des and I sat down to record

a conversation for his podcast originally, because he wanted to understand more about his

experience of anxiety, and he figured I might be able to help. And then we just decided to do it for both of our podcasts.

So in this episode, we dig into the probable roots of his anxiety as a child.

His relationship with his mom, who he now realizes was struggling probably with anxiety

for her whole life without having ever identified it as such, how anxiety manifested for him

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