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🗓️ 18 October 2015
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Ever wonder what your mobile device is really doing to your relationships, your happiness...your life?
Today's guest, famed MIT Professor, bestselling author and researcher on how technology affects the human condition, Sherry Turkle, has been studying questions like this for decades.
In her new book, Reclaiming Conversation: The Power of Talk in a Digital Age, she looks at what phones and the technology that rides inside them are doing not just for us, but to us.
What she reveals is beyond scary.
Put your cell phone on the table when you're with someone else, she offers, you've just destroyed the possibility of deep conversation. Without even realizing it, everything gets superficial. You don't go deeper, because you want to be able to scratch the near-addictive phone-checking itch. And that's okay when the convo is light, but not when it gets real.
We also talk about how apps and texting are destroying empathy and solitude and making it harder and harder to actually know ourselves and develop real relationships. We explore the "I share, therefore I am" ethos and how technology is profoundly altering the dating scene. We talk about what computers and mobile devices do to classrooms and learning, seeing how some professors who at first welcomed them are now banning them and why. Turkle offers:
"Technology doesn't just change what we do, it changes who we are."
We need to understand how, then leverage it to work with, rather than against us.
In the end, Sherry isn't anti-technology, she'll tell you. She's pro-conversation.
This conversation led me to immediately change how I use my cell phone and think about the model I'm creating for my daughter. It was also a reminder of why I record these conversations, with rare exception, in-person, rather than remotely. Because it changes the conversation and the depth of the relationship.
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0:02.9 | Pfft! |
0:03.9 | Made with zesty lemon time from a small family farm in Provence |
0:08.7 | and essential oils from herbs that grow in the Mediterranean sunshine. |
0:13.5 | So, if three quarters of your G&T is a Fever tree tonic, |
0:18.8 | maybe it's time to call it a T&G. |
0:22.4 | Fever tree, mix with the best. |
0:26.9 | Ooh, that takes me straight to the med. |
0:38.9 | If you don't teach your children to be alone, |
0:41.9 | they'll only know how to be lonely. |
0:43.9 | That solitude is the most important developmental achievement of childhood. |
0:51.9 | Serietoregal has been researching the intersection between technology and humanity for a really long time. |
1:01.9 | She's really turned her focus now towards that little device that most of us hold in our hand for way too much of the day and how it's affecting us. |
1:11.9 | How does technology, especially our phones or smartphones, |
1:15.9 | what's it actually doing to us and for us? |
1:19.9 | And instead of arguing that we should just give up or walk away from technology, |
1:24.9 | she kind of makes the point that this is a part of our life. |
1:27.9 | It's part of our future, but we really need to understand what this is doing to us, how it's affecting empathy, |
1:35.9 | how it's affecting conversation, how it's affecting the way that we interact with the world and get what we need from the world. |
1:42.9 | That's the conversation that I'm having with Serietoregal in this week's episode. |
1:48.9 | I'm Jonathan Fields. This is Good Life Project. |
1:54.9 | I'm really excited to just be able to spend some time with you. |
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