Welcome to the Professional Troublemaker Podcast.

This is a place where we help you cultivate the courage, authenticity, and audacity you

need to use your voice, take up space, and live a life that is so bold even your wildest

dreams say goals.

I'm your host, Levin Jai Jones, New York Times best-selling author, sought after speaker,

and sad eyesors, bringing you thought-provoking conversations with amazing people who have

taken action, done scary things, and rocked the boats to an audacious life.

I think Lake Great John Lewis said, these are the kind of people who are never ever afraid

to make some noise and get in good trouble, necessary trouble.

This month on the podcast, we're bringing you interviews from the archives with such

excellence that we need to hear these conversations again.

We're calling this archive April, and today I'm bringing you my conversation with my mentor,

my big sis, a woman who is super powerful to Shonda Brown's Duck It.

At the time of our conversation, Shonda will serve as the CEO of Chase Consumer Banking.

But earlier in 2021, she was named as the president and CEO of TIAA, and she's the first woman

to serve in that role.

Not only is she at the top of her game in her career, she's just as dope all around.

She's got her four proud wife, proud daughter, and just overall, new RPICS dust carrier.

In this interview, to Shonda and I talk about her upbringing, how she became the woman

who cared so much about talking about money, especially when it comes to black women.

And to this day, I think about part of our conversation that changed my life, when we

talk about diversifying your life as a portfolio.

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