Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas.

Hey there, folks. It's the Eric Metaxis show. We're at the NR-R-B, and I get to interview all kinds of people.

For example, right now, I'm interviewing someone whose last name is pronounced differently than you would think.

His last name is Strawn, but it looks like it would be Strachan.

S-T-R-A-C-H- c h n owen strong please make a note of it he's a friend and he has a new

book out called christianity and wokeness how the social justice movement is hijacking the gospel

and the way to stop it yada yada yada owin stran welcome Strawn, welcome to my program. Thank you, Eric. We have a long history with my last name. The last time you tried to pronounce it, it became a video on Twitter. Oh, stop it. I didn't see that. Did I see that? No, you said Strachan. Strachan. And then I tried to correct you and yeah. I know.

I'm sorry about that.

But listen, I really do think I go out of my way not just to pronounce things correctly,

but to spell them correctly because I want my audience to look you up.

Thank you.

The book is Christianity and Wokeness.

Now let's start, I'm a writer and I care about words.

The word wokeness is a hideous neologism, but we're at a point where we have to use

these hideous words.

So when you talk about Christianity and the Wokeness and the social justice movement, we all

know what you mean.

But why did you write this book?

A lot of people are talking about these kinds of things and

before you answer that question tell my audience who you are what you're doing right now yeah so

i'm a provost and research professor of theology at grace bible theological seminary in conway

arkansas so that's what i do uh for a living uh so i train pastors baptist pastors in Arkansas, love doing that. And as part of

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