Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late-night series Real Time with Bill Maugh.

Okay, here we are and over time ice cube are streaming services like Spotify unfair to artists.

If they don't pay them right. They don't pay them, do they? You don't get much from Spotify, do you?

I do pay, you know, I don't know about it so much.

I mean most artists complain about this. This penny, you know, I mean it's not a lot.

But, you know, the industry has been, you know, stilling from artists for a long time.

So I don't even know if they know the difference because, you know, the industry is just bad. You gotta fight for your money.

So there's just a different way of doing it.

Yep. Okay. Michael Eriktation, how would you begin to address prison reform in this country?

Well, first of all, you'd have to take the cash out of it, private industry, the way in which unfortunately, you know, attorney general's sessions has reignited that firestorm that had been tamped down on by Eric Holder.

So first of all, take the big business out of it. And then secondly, have common sense reform that was forging a connection between Democrats and Republicans like what was going on under Obama.

Before the rise of sessions in Trump, you know, Rand Paul is working right alongside of a Democratic senator to try to make things work.

That's number two in the number three. I think if we provide people something basic like opportunities has been shown that most people who are in prison, not the heart and criminals, the nonviolent drug offenders, if they don't have the book thrown at them, they have the opportunity to make something of their lives.

So it responds right now. Mostly middle class or even working class white brothers and sisters who deserve to get a second shot, but when the crack economy was going hard in the late 80s, there was no such sympathy.

If we could have that model prevailed right now, I think that criminal justice reform would be hugely benefited.

Okay. David Jolly, what or who is the biggest obstacle to getting your stop act passed? Well, you're not in Congress anymore.

That's the big example. What's stopping it? He's not in Congress. That'll definitely stop a bill from getting better.

Listen, this is important because you know what takes me off about Donald Trump. I spent the last three to four years in Congress fighting to rebrand the Republican Party to accept climate change, a marriage equality, and gun control and campaign financial reform.

Right?

And this president set us back 20 years. Right. But the stop act is a very simple measure. It's four pages. It says prohibit any member of Congress from directly asking you for money.

We do it in states across the country. We apply it to our judicial candidates. The problem is the biggest impediment is big money drives re-elections.

Listen, the number of members of Congress who came up to me and said, good for you. I wish I could support you. But I can't because I got to go raise a million dollars in elected. That's the biggest hurdle.

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