Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late month series Real Time with Bill Maugh.

Thanks you right, Oll.

There's a great question for the future governor.

Are sanctuary cities real or overblown GOP fear mongering?

Completely overblown GOP fear mongering.

It's just a fact.

And they don't look at the facts.

They don't actually look at the ordinance.

What?

It's complete, it's hyperbolic misinformation.

And it's very difficult to get into the weeds because no two sanctuary cities are alike.

They're close to 300.

Now how would you define it for people who haven't been following it?

I define it the way Rudy Giuliani who was a big proponent of sanctuary cities.

Exactly.

You would have defined it.

In New York, as almost every major city mayor is, Republican and Democrat.

The bottom line is you want folks in your city, regardless of how they got there, regardless

of their status, to cooperate with law enforcement.

If someone is raped, if someone is in a domestic abuse situation, you want them to cooperate

with police.

But if you're concerned about someone in the family being deported, you're less likely

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