Let me ask you this, have you ever noticed that some people get into their profession because of the pain from their childhood?

Well, you know what my answer is going to be.

Yeah, I think we're sitting here right now

in marriage and family ministry

in a lot of ways because of the pain in my family

breaking up.

And I mean, think about about this we're hosting a

podcast because of our 10-year anniversary pain yeah where we almost lost our

marriage and it's the foundation of everything we do and I think that happens

often like if I talk to doctors or someone in any kind of field,

like, oh, what got you into this vocation?

And many times it's like, well, I had someone that I loved that was sick or you actually you were

going to go into medicine because of your knee injury. Yeah so why you

asking me this? Because we're going to look at that today. Welcome to family life today.

I'm going to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Shelby Abbott and your hope today where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Shelby Abbott and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson.

You can find us at family life today.

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Yeah, some of our listeners know that Ron Deal directs our family life blended ministry and hosts our Family Life Blended Ministry and hosts our

podcast for blended families and today we're listening to a portion of an

episode that Ron did with Jim Ramos, founder of men in the arena and Jim's a friend of ours and I endorse his last book and I love all the

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