as it was tumbling down was dealing with the fact that the only way to stop it and a lot of my

deals was to have to file bankruptcy. So I did and I ended up filing some Chapter 11s, including

my own. I think I was telling you earlier. I had $100 million in personal guarantees at that

point. So I had to file my own personal bankruptcy in 2012. And it was one of those things.

It was like, wow, I've been doing this for 20 years, almost 21 years.

And on paper, I'm broke.

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Hey, everybody.

I'm here with my good buddy, Tom Hatton, who has a huge company here

based in Arizona. It's Mountainside Fitness, and he's got 18 locations, 1,400 employees,

started from nothing. And welcome, Tom. Thanks, Ken. So I want to chat about your new book,

right? This just came out, what? November. November.

And, you know, you and I met several times as you were writing this.

And I, first of all, congratulations for being vulnerable.

I mean, yeah, because you started a really, really rough place, right?

Yeah, that's the book was kind of generated from a really bad time and moment in my life.

And that's when I started writing.

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