Patagonia has just launched a podcast, Patagonia Stories. In each episode,

host our Chana Rom will explore how we gather knowledge and ask questions about our relationship

to each other in the natural world. Questions like, how are lessons passed down through generations

to help us feel at home? What barriers prevent us from acquiring natural wisdom? How can we adapt

in the face for rapidly changing climate? There's so much more to come. You can find the first season

of Patagonia Stories wherever you get your podcasts.

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Good. I think we should start today's episode just because I love the story about how you met

one of today's guests, how you how you came to know them. So about five years ago now,

I moved to Denver from the East Coast after college and I didn't really know anyone out here.

And so that first winter that I was in Colorado, I found a place to Nordic ski, which is my favorite

thing to do in the winter in Boulder. And I headed up there by myself. I parked, I clipped into my

bindings and I started skate skiing around the slupe. And after a little while, I passed a couple

of guys who were also skate skiing. One was probably in his 60s and one was younger. And I sort of regretted

passing them immediately because they quit chatting and they stuck right on my heels. So,

yeah, so I had to maintain the pace that I'd used to get around these people for the next hour that

I was skiing because, you know, I couldn't let them pass me back. That would be way too embarrassing.

And that is the day that I met Gary Lacey, who was the guy in his 60s, giving me a run for my money

on skinny skis. And it came to turn out that he was a ski racing maniac and a social legend in the

Boulder community. And since that day, over the last five years, he would drag me out on all sorts of

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