Patagonia has just launched a podcast, Patagonia Stories. In each episode,

host our Chana Rom will explore how we gather knowledge and ask questions about our relationship

to each other in the natural world. Questions like, how are lessons passed down through generations

to help us feel at home? What barriers prevent us from acquiring natural wisdom? How can we adapt

in the face for rapidly changing climate? There's so much more to come. You can find the first season

of Patagonia Stories wherever you get your podcasts.

You're listening to The Derback Dairy, a production of Duck Tape Than Beer, with additional support

from Kuat Racks because you love your bike, athletic greens, the daily drink for healthier you,

and kicking horse coffee, wake up and kick ass.

So, Fitz, hello. Hello. Today, or maybe this month, the diaries turns 15 years old. This is true.

That's a lot of years. What are you saying? I was in high school 15 years ago.

Yeah. I won't do you. Please don't. Okay. But when you started this,

did you imagine that you would still be sitting in a recording booth all these years later still

doing the Derback Dairy? No, I would not say that. But I would say that very quickly within a few

weeks of starting this, I realized that it was going to change my life in some way. It felt like

this moment where I'd said yes to an idea. I didn't know what that meant, but I said yes to it,

and I committed it. I felt like I was pulling away from shore. I had no idea what how I was doing.

Then all of a sudden, it's happening. There's some momentum to it. Part of it's you're reacting,

and then you're learning how to say yes to more things. There's a point, I think,

in every creative or every adventure's life, like inclining or if you're skier,

in the beginning, you just have to say yes. I'll go try this thing that's intimidating to me.

You do that more and more, and you keep saying yes. Then there becomes a point where you learn to say

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