This is a 30-year-old guy, a father of two young children, who are now going to grow up without him.

When you label and smear somebody as a fascist and a Nazi, you are putting a target on their back.

We've got to be honest and acknowledge that this is not a both-size issue. It just isn't.

If we're going to talk about people

monetizing this tragedy, I mean, what we've seen in the last few days on the right, I'm,

I think I'm probably as horrified by that as I am by the celebrations of Charlie Kirk's

assassination. The United Kingdom protest, you and I both went along.

That is another thing that, you know, there's been a lot of rhetoric about.

Smearing them as far right, smearing them as racist.

Do not understand where this is leading.

And a week after Charlie Cook, you're continuing to use the same rhetoric, the same language, the same words,

and I'm angry. And I'm angry because it's dangerous, because this is a powder kick.

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ad-free. Francis, so it's been exactly a week, as we said here recording this since

Charlie Kirk was assassinated, one of the things

we didn't want to do is talk about it straight away. And I think you see why. We didn't want to

talk about it while emotions are raw. And emotions are very raw. Look, they were raw for both of

us because two days, literally 48 hours

before he was killed, we were booked to actually interview him, and both you and I were really

excited about this. We saw Charlie as being a really important figure in MAGA, in modern-day

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