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The "What is Money?" Show

Our Civilization is Dying...Can Bitcoin Save It? w/ Jordan Hall (WiM584)

The "What is Money?" Show

Robert Breedlove

Bitcoin, Breedlove, What Is Money, Investing, Rabbit Hole, Cryptocurrency, Money, Finance, Education, Robert Breedlove, History

4.8710 Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2025

⏱️ 175 minutes

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Summary

Jordan Hall joins me to explore the nature of the State, the collapse of formal institutions, why civilization is best understood as a living, cognitive organism, symbolic depth vs symbolic endurance, why Bitcoin enables “nations without states” by rearchitecting trust on a global scale, Bitcoin and the “Sovereign Individual” thesis, the role of Christ in revelation, and the role of proof-of-work blockchains in aligning civilization with truth. Jordan Hall, is a futurist, philosopher, and public speaker renowned for his insights into the interplay between technology and culture.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Your perspective on the transformation of the nation-state paradigm in the digital age.

0:06.0

The state that cannot steal money won't hold together.

0:10.0

So the fact that it is no longer necessary nor can be imposed means that we will begin to see the unwinding of the state.

0:17.4

Christ in Revelation, he comes back and confronts and destroys corrupts nations and

0:24.0

worldly powers. The absence of tyranny is in freedom. Sovereignty is like maturity. You are not born

0:30.1

sovereign. You are born capable of becoming increasingly sovereign in relationship with the larger

0:35.6

scope of reality.

0:39.9

Inflation is roughly 50% of nation state revenue.

0:43.7

If that goes away, well, then nation states have to shrink by at least 50%. It might be that you have a series of civilization states that are themselves governed by

0:47.9

their own independent AI systems.

0:50.6

Or it might be that this collapses into a single global AI system.

0:55.0

Yes, and indisputable to that structure is the central bank digital currency.

0:59.0

Proof-work blockchain is of the same order of magnitude as the substrate upon which law

1:06.0

and money sit. It's actually deeper than law and it's deeper than money. We're in a moment of serious

1:11.5

profundity. We're in a moment where big, big things are happening. And so we have to be capable

1:17.0

of thinking at that level, right? If we're not thinking at the level of where we are, then we're not in

1:21.3

relationship with reality. Jordan, it's so good to have you here.

1:35.0

I've listened to a lot of your content.

1:38.6

You know, I got introduced to this corner, what do you guys call this?

1:43.9

This little corner of the internet is that

1:45.5

what you call it um i started listening to jordan peterson's lectures back in 2020 which were very

1:51.5

transformative for me i often joke that jordan peterson was a gateway drug to john vervaki

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