Hey everyone. Welcome to the pod. It's Jen. Hi. Okay. There might be a lot of you out there who have heard about Sam and Sally, the morning

dove's on my balcony and could care less, but I'm very invested. I just have to tell you,

I was just out there

before I came back into my home recording studio

because I heard a little flutter

and mama was feeding them for the first time.

They're big too. Morning doves don't come out like a little

chickadee like songbirds. They're big guys. Anyway, I'm very excited. We're all

invested. I'm still taking names, Fat Muscarra family, so help me name the two morning doves.

Their parents are Sam and Sally.

Just want to give you that little housekeeping update.

Oh, speaking of housekeeping, this week's episode.

So this interview today actually is a present I gave to Miss

Jessica Matlin. I think it was about two years ago. She had just started her job at

Moda Upper and I and was going to be working from home part of the time.

So she was saying to me like, I need to get the house in order, I need to clean, I need to organize,

this doesn't come naturally to me, and I was like, I have the person, Vanessa

Amaro, one of my favorite follows on Tik-Tock. She's the housekeeping expert. So I reached out to her, we did a podcast together, we did this interview, I grilled her.

And this has become like a little bit of a sleeper hit, I want to say.

The amount of listens we have on this podcast, I can't even tell you, because she is so helpful.

First of all, she's just a joy.

But like you're going to get all these tips about how to clean your beauty products,

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