The question is, does free trade with China advance free markets or does it distort and

wreck our free market?

We have treated free trade as the natural extension of free markets.

If you attempt to be for free trade with a non-market economy, you are not actually advancing

free markets in any significant way at all.

You're actually dramatically hindering them.

China is pretty much the only competitive threat we face, which all our allies are facing at the same time,

and we're fighting with our allies instead of pooling our resources to stand up to China.

At the end of the day, if the goal is not to make America the assembly hub of the

world, but to actually re-industrialize, you have to actually create incentives to bring back

those intermediate supplies. The U.S. is rethinking its economic playbook on tariffs, trade,

manufacturing, and what it really means to support family, community, and industry.

In this episode, I'm joined by Oren Cass, founder of American Compass, and Noah Smith, author of

no opinion, for a debate on industrial policy, reshoring, and whether tariffs help or hurt

American manufacturing. We get into the data behind recent trade policy, the short versus long-term effects on domestic industry, and whether the U.S. should double down on protectionism or scale up with its allies to compete globally.

Along the way, we talk about factory construction, global supply chains, economic modeling, and what both sides we need to see to actually change their minds. Let's get into it. We're really excited

to have you on because we've been talking about some topics over the past few months that you've

been thinking a lot about, that you've been writing a lot about, that your thinking is in fact

informed and inspired and encourage some of what's actually happened. And so before we get into

some of the specifics, I wanted for some of our audience who may not be familiar, especially on the

A-Sign Z side, I wanted to just give you an opportunity to kind of introduce your platform, so to speak,

or introduce kind of the main topics and ideas that you're affiliated with. We'll link to the book and some of the

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