Hello and welcome back to Maine Justice. It is Tuesday morning, April 14th. I am Andrew Weisman,

and I'm here with Mary McCord. Hi, Mary. How are you? Good morning, Andrew. I am alive.

Okay. Well, there's two pieces of good news. You're alive. And you're alive. There you go.

And there was a really great election in Europe. There was. And we have a real treat for people.

Our first segment, we have, you know, we rarely bring in experts and we bring in people who in the field are really known. And that's what we have somebody who, you know, we rarely bring in experts and we bring in people who in the field are really known.

And that's what we have, somebody who it really could not be better in terms of...

To talk about this. That's right.

Yeah, a Princeton professor who lived and worked in Hungary, worked on the Constitution and saw it both build up and saw its demise. That's right.

And so, Mary, that's a great sort of segue to how are we going to divide up our show today.

Yeah. So that's the opening segment, of course, because it's so important. And really,

what we want to also dive into is what can we draw from that election

that could be applicable here in the United States, not just from the election, but from

everything that built up to that election. And where are the parallels between the Orban regime

and how he was able to sort of take over things like the prosecutor's office, the judiciary,

things that we worry about a lot here, right?

So we'll talk about that.

One thing people probably remember, but if they don't, is Steve Bannon called Orban Trump before Trump.

And there's lots of reporting that Project 2025 was actually worked on and conceived of and out of a Hungarian think

tank. But the one thing I do think it's important to recognize is that it's like looking

through a mirror darkly. In other words, there are potential lessons. I think it can be dangerous to just go

apples to apples. But we will turn after that discussion to something that has gone very much

under the radar, but something that is core main justice stuff. And that is a new Office of

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