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What's happened is? What's happened? Well, this podcast started off as

chat that we would do before or writing sessions in a way. No, it didn't.

I'm on lecture mode, Ben. It's not really, this isn't really an interactive bit of chat.

You're joking, the origin story. Because people want to know. How did it start? How did it start?

I'm myth-making, that's what I'm doing. Okay, okay. So the mythos behind

what we've been talking about is, are you going to talk about when you discover BP in a favelia,

lying low? That's right. Yeah. Ragged. He was hiding underneath a wicker carpet,

a wicker or a wicker section of flooring. It was very similar to that scene in Star Wars,

where they're hiding under the floor of the landing falcon, but everything's made of wicker.

Is that how you imagine a favelia to be? Or rather, favelia, it's not even favelia,

I think it's favelia. I didn't have a strong mental picture of any of these things,

so what I tend to do in any situation where I don't have a strong mental picture of it is

I'll fill in the millennium falcon because I feel like a roughy name away around that.

Made of wicker. But it's possible that you're mixing up a favela and the inside of a conservatory

in Surrey. That's possible as well, yeah. There's another thing that I haven't got a strong

mental picture of. Again, I'll be getting up again with a millennium falcon, but this time

we're made of glass. And that'll be within the one made of wicker. And in your mental picture,

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