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Money Tree Investing

Options Strategies for Modern Investors with Lawrence Kriesmer

Money Tree Investing

Money Tree Investing Podcast

Business, Investing

4.6 • 732 Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Larry Kriesmer shares how his career evolved from life insurance to options-driven wealth management, explaining that supervisory limitations at his former firm pushed him to launch his own RIA focused on option-based strategies. He and the host discuss the industry's longstanding discomfort with options, the differences among custodians, and the surge in option-centric ETFs driven by investor demand for income, downside buffers, and more predictable outcomes. Larry explains why he favors synthetic long exposure to the S&P 500, how options can create defined risk in ways traditional 60/40 portfolios cannot, and why repeated market shocks have increased interest in structures that limit drawdowns. He also stresses that while options can be powerful, they require real understanding—especially given the asymmetric risks—and that most investors are best served using simple strategies or working with experienced professionals.

  • Larry Kriesmer shares his background transitioning from life insurance into wealth management and ultimately founding his own RIA due to options-related supervision limitations at his prior firm.
  • We highlight how many insurance and brokerage firms restrict options usage because supervisors often lack the necessary licensing or comfort with the risks.
  • Early-career experiences show how compliance departments often misunderstand options and overburden advisors executing client-driven trades.
  • Larry explains that custodians also vary widely in their options competency, noting TD Ameritrade's historically advanced approach compared to more conservative platforms like Schwab and Fidelity.
  • He describes how the growth of option-based ETFs and structured strategies reflects rising demand for income, risk buffers, and outcome-based portfolio design.
  • Why options are resurging in popularity despite being decades old, tying it to investor frustration with unpredictable markets, multiple major drawdowns, and the need for more controlled outcomes.
  • Larry outlines his discovery of options through studying indexed annuities, which showed him how options could define downside risk and reshape portfolio construction.
  • He explains his core strategy of staying synthetically long the S&P 500 at all times, avoiding market timing, and focusing on capturing upside while limiting drawdowns.
  • The conversation touches on potential expansion of his strategy into other sectors or international markets, though the S&P remains his primary exposure due to its self-healing nature.
  • Larry critiques modern portfolio theory as outdated and insufficient for managing real downside risk, arguing that a bond-plus-options structure can outperform a traditional 60/40 on a risk-adjusted basis.
  • You discuss how 2022 exposed the limitations of conventional diversification when both stocks and bonds fell simultaneously.
  • Larry emphasizes that while options can be powerful tools, investors must deeply understand which side of the contract's risk they are assuming to avoid catastrophic losses.
  • He concludes that most investors should pursue education but ultimately rely on professionals or ETF structures if they want to safely incorporate options into their portfolios.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Money Tree Investing Podcast.

0:04.0

Stock market, wealth, personal finance, value stocks, invest in your life.

0:10.0

Hello, Smart Money Tree Podcast listeners. Welcome to this week's show.

0:14.0

My name is Kirk Chisholm and I'll be your host. So today I'm joined with Larry Kriesmer.

0:19.0

I know you Larry.

0:20.0

Doing well. Thank you for having me as a guest, Kirk.

0:22.0

Yeah, glad to have you on. So for those listeners who don't know you, tell us a bit about your background. I'm a former life insurance agent. That's what brought me into the business. I think a lot of people make their way in this business, that direction. and early on got more interested in wealth management than life insurance, but it's still

0:41.5

a part of the practice that we do.

0:43.8

I was with a big, big firm for about 13 years and then got involved in options.

0:50.6

And options were something that that insurance company really wasn't as comfortable as they

0:55.4

could have been with. So that's what prompted me to form an RIA and move out on my own back in

1:00.5

2007. You don't hear that path all that often. I'd say most people don't understand options.

1:06.2

So not just life insurance. Most big firms don't. Yeah, it's a funnier story than that because really the

1:11.9

reason we had to leave is that in the insurance business, but also in a lot of the advisory

1:17.3

brokerages, there's usually a supervisory person. And in our case, the supervisor, the general

1:22.9

agent in our area, couldn't pass the options principal exam, which meant that they couldn't supervise our

1:29.7

trades. That was really the impetus that had us leave. We were pretty comfortable where we were

1:34.3

enjoying what we were doing. They didn't have somebody on deck to manage the supervision of options.

1:39.3

So that's what prompted us going elsewhere. Funny how that works. When I started 99 at a had a buddy who we were at Payne Weber and then we went to different firms and went to Smith Barney, went to Morgan Stanley. I remember he had this client. He was telling me about it. He had this client. He was just trading options. I don't know why he was trading through him. You still had e-trade and all these other places. you could do it cheaper, but he was trading through my buddy. And he was giving him all the trades.

2:02.9

He was like, here's what I want. My buddy would put him in. Every day, the manager come in. Do you understand this? Do you understand? Like, it was grilling him. He's like, look, these are unsolicited. Like, it says on the ticket unsolicited. the client wanted it. And they just grilled them.

2:17.9

And finally, he's like, I've had enough. You're making my life hell. What are you doing?

2:22.2

The compliance officer, I notice this a lot back then. Commodities you couldn't do, you know,

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