Welcome to the Black Girl Burnout podcast.

Kelly here.

And we are continuing our conversation with Shana Spence.

We talked about what led her into the space of nutrition and wellness as a black woman.

And we're going to dig a little bit deeper into intuitive eating and understanding the power.

And most importantly, the joy.

Let's check back in in our conversation.

We're back with Shana Spence. I'm so excited about this conversation because I think we're just getting started into really the heart of the conversation, which is like having joy with every bite.

I think that might be the title for the episode.

I think that that's really possible.

And so I want to hear a little bit more about we have such an eating disordered world.

And I don't mean that everyone has an eating disorder.

I want to be clear.

But I mean that we have an unhealthy as a culture, an unhealthy relationship with food.

Like there's so many depictions.

You think about that like stereotype of when a woman gets dumped, she's eating, you know, Ben and Jerry's, and she's drinking a bunch of alcohol,

and she's like eating every bad food known to man. And I'm saying bad. I'm now labeling. I'm

doing the thing, right? I'm labeling food. So you would not eat all day long, right?

They're like, but you cannot live off of Ben and Jerry's, right?

That kind of understanding and relationship with food that, like, food is a feeling instead of a thing, right?

Or, and if it's, there's certain foods we think of for bad feelings, there's certain foods that we think of for good.

And some of those are not healthy either, like this feeling that

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