Hello and welcome to Maintenance Phase, the podcast where you get complicated feelings

and you get complicated feelings and everyone gets complicated feelings.

Wait, Mike, can I tell you when I wrote my notes?

In case you asked me to do the tagline?

What do you have?

Hello and welcome to Maintenance Phase, the podcast where you don't get a car and you don't get a car.

Nobody gets a car. We don't have cars to give a pay.

The problem is there's too many Oprah means to choose from.

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

Bees.

I'm Aubrey Gordon, an author, a columnist and a podcaster, and I'm here with my co-host.

Michael Hobbs, if you would like to support the show, you can do that at patreon.com slash maintenance phase.

Fun update, we now have bonus episodes so you can check out more of Mike and I talking about extremely consequential and in consequential things.

The most in consequential, which is our first episode, which is Aubrey explains the bachelor and the bachelor at to Michael.

Yes.

There's so many clips and it was so stressful.

We also have t-shirts, notebooks, mugs, totes at T public and you can find both of those links in the show notes for this episode or at maintenancephase.com.

Totes.

And today we have a special guest.

We sure do.

Kimberly Springer is a adjunct professor at Barnard College and the editor of a volume called the Oprafication of American Culture.

She got in touch with us a couple of months ago and was like, I have weird feelings about Oprah and I feel like you have weird feelings about Oprah too.

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