I'm Oprah Winfrey. Welcome to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast. I believe that one of the

most valuable gifts you can give yourself is time, taking time to be more fully present.

Your journey to become more inspired and connected to the deeper world around us starts right

now.

So I read Gary's book to see the soul for the first time in the early 90s and it

resonated with me so deeply. It literally changed every aspect of the way I lived. I actually

changed the way I operated the show. Even today, 30 years later, see the soul is still on

my nightstand. Please welcome Gary Zoukov. So you're the expert. You helped me so much.

You know that, right? Oh my. To be an expert, that's impossible. When it comes to life, who can

be an expert in life? But you can do your best. And if you're doing your best, that's going to

take you where you need to go. Now here's an interesting thing. In my experience, everything

takes you where you need to go. That's what I was saying. Everything does. You eventually

get there. And for some people, and it has also been that way for me, that I could have

taken a direct path, but I had to go all the way around the mountain. But eventually you

get there. Eventually, we get there. But some people think that going all the way around

is something bad. There's learning opportunity and everything that we do. So you came here

to help us soar. There's learning opportunity and soaring. So if you try and you fall to

the ground, your fall will teach you. It gives you lessons. If you soar, your flight will

give you lessons. So the intentions that you choose change your experience, but your

experience always serves you. And if you remember that, you won't be complaining or whining

about what's happening in your life or crediting other people. If it's a wonderful thing that

happens in your life, you'll be looking at it and seeing what you can learn about yourself

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