I can see the way social media is being shaped by the national security state to set the stage for still censoring us on the grounds of being disinformation, even though we're presenting factual journalism.

Because the term disinformation has been so relentlessly abused in the last three or four years

that it's being used basically to define anything that is not, you know, that doesn't exist within the foreign policy, U.S. foreign policy consensus.

I mean, we literally get called in these articles a disinformation site or a conspiracy

site. That's another word that's been abused. The FBI two years ago said that conspiracy

theories are a national security threat. And so when somebody calls us a conspiracy site,

without proving that we're engaging in false conspiracies, like Russiagate, for example,

they are using cop language. And I think what they're trying to do, as Ben said earlier,

is to get us censored and censorship by these elements, which often have real relationships, real concrete relationships with the U.S. government,

with the State Department and intelligence cutouts, that's so much more dangerous than cancel culture.

I'll never apologize for the United States of America.

Ever. I don't care what the facts are.

Why are we going to sit down and talk to these quote-unquote moderate rebels?

Who are the truly moderate rebels?

The search for the moderate rebel. Do these moderate rebels exist? Moderate rebels.

This is moderate rebels.

I'm Ben Norton, joined by my co-host, Max Blumenthal.

And this is part two of our discussion with our colleague at the gray zone, Aaron Mate.

And in the first part, we picked apart Russiagate, you know, something that we've been talking about a lot on this show and at the gray zone.

Aaron Mate is one of the leading debunkers, the leading experts showing why Russiagate is based on, you know, a bunch of lies and conspiracies.

And the first part, we also talked about the Democratic National Convention and the neoliberal

Democratic Party and how Joe Biden, I mean, does not really have anything good to offer anyone,

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