So it's this strange thing where, because everybody is going through this like hideous experience,

you know, there's very little room to articulate it. And to me, one of the strangest things I think

about all this is that I often don't really know how other people are living on a day-to-day level

because I think that there's so much stigma in and for understandable reasons, right? Like, you don't

want to talk publicly about which rules you're complying with and which you're sort of cheating and,

you know, how you're sort of making this impossible situation worse because you don't really want

to create a permission structure. Usually, if there's a set of rules that are in some ways unworkable,

people will talk publicly about the ways they're working around them. You can't really do that here

because you do actually think you want to encourage everybody to follow all the rules.

Hello and welcome to Wise is happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

I am speaking to you as I look out the window in the bedroom of our house in Brooklyn,

and it is sunny out, really sunny. It's 52 degrees today. I don't know if this is just a thing for me

or if everyone feels this way, but I've never been as attuned to the movements of the sun

as I have this year every single day when I notice it gets a little bit brighter and stays

bright a little bit longer. I hold on to it like this is beam of hope that I'm throwing my arms

around as I think about spring and the future. And I also don't know if it's just me or maybe you

feel this way too, although I imagine what people do is that there's something about coming up

on the one year of the pandemic that is really messing me up. I mean, I think if you listen to the

show, you know that I already have like a fair amount of like obsessive thoughts about my own

mortality and the passage of time and it's something that I'm kind of always sort of dealing with

throwing in the background of my my brain, my psyche, my soul. But time has been so weird, so stretched

and then scrunched in so many strange ways over the last year that the experience of it has been

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