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One Thing: Might at the Museum: Trump Targets the Smithsonian

CNN 5 Things

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3.7 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 August 2025

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Critics say President Donald Trump’s attacks on the Smithsonian museum system amount to an attempt to whitewash American history. A historian tells us why the administration's claims about ‘overemphasizing’ slavery do a disservice to all Americans.  Guest: Leah Wright Rigueur, political historian & associate professor, Johns Hopkins University  ---  Host: David Rind  Producer: Paola Ortiz  Senior Producer: Faiz Jamil  Showrunner: Felicia Patinkin  Support: Piper Hudspeth Blackburn Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

How long have you been doing art?

0:02.1

Ooh, how long have I been doing art?

0:03.6

Okay, well, I guess my whole life, I can say.

0:08.2

Sasa Akeel is a ceramics artist and poet based in Washington, D.C.

0:12.9

She graduated from Howard University in 2024.

0:16.6

In a year prior, the school offered her a unique opportunity to collaborate on a new sculpture exhibit

0:22.1

being developed for the Smithsonian American Art Museum called The Shape of Power, Stories of Race and American Sculpture.

0:29.6

The Curators of the Shape of Power were looking for students that they could discuss the exhibition,

0:35.6

specifically the interpretations side of the exhibition.

0:38.7

So that's like how it's going to be received by the public kind of the messages that the

0:42.5

curators want to make sure that they're getting across. So you kind of got an early look at it

0:46.4

and they wanted you to kind of interpret it and give them feedback as to how you received.

0:52.1

Yeah, exactly. I don't think I've ever seen a comprehensive, you know, sculpture exhibition and the way that this one is.

0:59.0

The stated mission of the exhibit is to examine the role of sculpture in understanding and constructing the concept of race in the United States.

1:08.0

It opened at the museum last November.

1:10.0

Well, fast forward to March.

1:11.8

President Trump quietly signed an executive order yesterday. They could change the face of the historic

1:16.3

Smithsonian Institute. This latest directive threatens funding for programs he claims advance

1:21.2

divisive narratives and improper ideology. In the executive order, Trump called out the shape of power exhibit directly.

1:29.1

He condemned it for stating that sculpture has been a powerful tool in promoting scientific racism,

1:35.0

that race is a human invention, and that the United States has used race to, quote,

1:40.7

establish and maintain systems of power, privilege, and disenfranchisement.

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