Hi, it's Andy here, and welcome to Radio Headspace, and to Thursday morning.

Now a few weeks back, I had a good fortune to speak to an old friend of mine, and it's

one of those friends who, no you don't necessarily see them that often in life, but whenever

you do get the chance to either see them or speak to them, you feel really happy, really

energized by the experience. As you mark, as might be listening this morning, hi, Marcus,

if you are, our Marcus it is over in Switzerland and is surrounded by these amazing mountains

and countryside, and recently has been taking a lot of walks, often out on sort of these

trails where you don't necessarily see too many other people. And he was describing to

me a walk that he took recently where he was going up a path where it became increasingly

unsteady, perhaps even a little bit dangerous, and how he started to see signs saying, this path

is unstable, maybe don't go any further. Now you would have thought those signs were enough

sort of warning to maybe turn around and go back down, but he decided to sort of carry on

anyway, and he said as he continued, he sort of found himself becoming increasingly caught up

in thinking. So there was a sense of look, you know, he's still very young, he has a young

family, he cares for his life, and he also found himself sort of worrying about his predicament,

was he going to find himself in an even more dangerous position, what was around the corner,

was the path going to become impassable. As this sort of thinking started to gain momentum in

the mind, his mind became increasingly sort of foggy, increasingly clouded, essentially,

that fear and anxiety meant that there was no sort of clarity of thought. And he said the only

way he was able to continue was to focus on taking one step at a time. Now I've done a bunch of

walking meditation, as in formal walking meditation, it marks a long time ago, and it's interesting

when you take that into a real life context, when you take that into a situation like this, we're

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