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The Devil You Know with Sarah Marshall

One more helping, for good measure: Satan (Taylor’s Version)

The Devil You Know with Sarah Marshall

CBC

True Crime

4.6751 Ratings

🗓️ 13 December 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

In this bonus episode, Sarah talks to Yvonne Eadon, a professor at the University of Kentucky who specializes in conspiracy theory and online misinformation, about GAYLOR — the online fan theory that claims Taylor Swift is a closeted queer woman.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, Steve Patterson here, host of the debaters, the show where Canada's top comedians answer

0:04.2

Canada's top questions like, is Winnipeg the best place to raise a family?

0:08.7

We're expecting to raise a little heck with this one, so don't miss it wherever you get your

0:13.3

podcasts.

0:15.5

This is a CBC podcast.

0:24.4

Why? ABC Podcast. Welcome to your bonus episode.

0:27.1

I'm Sarah Marshall, and this is The Devil You Know.

0:31.0

Today, we're talking to Yvonne Eden,

0:33.8

assistant professor at the University of Kentucky School of Information Science,

0:38.0

whose research focuses on knowledge production within fringe conspiratorial research cultures.

0:44.5

These cultures include UFO followers and JFK assassination investigators,

0:49.4

and, for our purposes today, Taylor Swift and One Direction conspiracy theorists.

0:54.6

This conversation with Yvonne Eden was a chance to look at conspiracy culture and what

1:01.0

conspiracy theories and conspiracy culture can offer in a way that may actually be harmless

1:07.0

or even constructive, especially to the lonely queer teenagers who are being isolated

1:14.3

partly by the conspiracy theories about them. Things are getting a little bit heavy in our show

1:20.6

and this conversation is beautiful and light and joyful and is talking about people in a

1:27.2

fandom who are finding joy for themselves

1:29.6

and building it for each other. It is also worth noting that Yvonne and I had this conversation

1:35.0

before Taylor Swift announced her engagement to Travis Kelsey. But if there's one thing

1:40.5

history has shown us, it's that conspiracy theories will somehow find a way

1:45.6

to explain away even the information that would seem to disprove them.

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