And this is pastor's talk.

This is Jonathan.

That's Mark.

And that's Garrett.

And that's Zach.

And they're all pastors of churches.

And we're going to talk about loving your wife.

The reason I thought it'd be good to get both of these brothers here is because this topic

of loving your wife, we all have different wives, we have different experiences, different

strengths as husbands, and I thought a multitude of voices might be useful on this one.

Kind of like the last one we just did on pastoring when you're spiritually dry.

You guys come at it from different angles and so on this topic.

Here's my first question.

What are you doing?

My wife.

Okay.

You reminded him that he needed to reach out to his wife.

He was like, oh, yeah.

His accountability live right here.

Checking in.

What is it about being a pastor that, what are, rather, what are unique obstacles to loving

your wife well as a pastor?

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