Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.

This is Mark Devere.

Welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastures Talk.

Why are you whispering?

I'm not whispering.

Okay.

I'm just getting older, man.

Why are you so corrective?

I think it's just my ears, my hearing.

It's going to get worse.

Well, hey, who's wearing the... Well, that's true, but at least you're wearing them. That's true. Nine marks exist to help build healthy churches. To the glory of God. Pastors build healthy churches. Go to nine marks.org, and if you feel like supporting the ministry, nine marks. Dot or forward slash... Do you know? No, no. For slash talk. Talk. There it is. And pastor put it in the missions giving line. Yeah, we, we had a good conversation the other night with some friends about that. Take a look at church centered missions.org, which we're also sponsoring. That's how they found at home. Mark, we don't usually talk about current events. We do every once in a while.

Every once in a while, especially on those rare occasions when current events fall right in the middle of our lane, such as churches...

Converses over baptism.

When was the last time that happened?

You know, it happens.

Or controversies over...

Accompanied singing.

Oh, those could be big.

I can't remember that one either.

But you were thinking of.

I can remember a church, city's church in Minneapolis, or St. Paul, rather, Minnesota,

attempting to gather this last Sunday and yet being interrupted by protesters, effectively

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