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This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman from Design Observer.com.

This year is the 10th anniversary of the podcast, 10 years of designers and other creative types talking about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about.

On this program, Oliver Jeffers explains how illustrating and writing children's books

has changed his fine art painting.

When I discovered picture books, that thirst for storytelling and using words and pictures

mixed together was completely satisfied.

Here's Debbie Milman.

Here's a riddle with only one possible answer.

What do drip paintings, picture books, and the band, you two, have in common?

The answer is Oliver Jeffers, of course.

The Belfast Bread, illustrator, and artist has designed covers and co-directed a music video for you too.

His picture books for children are celebrated for their illustrations and their writing.

And if he's not dripping paint to make an abstract painting, he's dipping a figurative painting in paint. Artist, designer, illustrator,

and writer. He joins me now to talk about his multifaceted career. Oliver Jeffers, welcome to

Design Matters. Thank you for having me. Oliver, I understand that you grew up in Belfast in

Northern Ireland and went to a school that you've described as kind of rough.

What does kind of rough mean exactly?

Well, kind of rough means that it was filled with the sort of kids who were being kicked out of all the other schools for various sorts of offenses.

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