Oliver Burkeman || Time Management for Mortals

The Psychology Podcast

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🗓️ 13 January 2022

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, I talk to bestselling author Oliver Burkeman about his latest book Four Thousand Weeks. On the surface, it’s easy to mistake it for another self-help book on time management. But instead of enthusing about productivity hacks, Oliver challenges his readers to confront the finite nature of humanity. By doing so, he argues we can live fuller lives—without having to always carry the fear of missing out. We also touch on the topics of procrastination, positive psychology, flow, realism, deep time, and patience.

Bio

Oliver Burkeman is a journalist for The Guardian. From 2006 to 2020, he wrote the popular weekly column on psychology called “This Column Will Change Your Life”. He is the author of The Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can't Stand Positive Thinking and Help! How to Become Slightly Happier and Get a Bit More Done. In 2015, he won the Foreign Press Association’s Young Journalist of the Year award, and has been short-listed for the Orwell Prize. His most recent book is Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals.

Website: www.oliverburkeman.com

Twitter: @oliverburkeman

Topics

00:02:03 The efficiency trap

00:05:34 Accepting human limitations

00:08:35 Why we handicap ourselves

00:13:07 How to be a better procrastinator

00:18:32 Each activity is paid for with your life

00:20:55 The joy of missing out

00:23:55 Harness more deep time

00:27:57 The common theme of Oliver’s books

00:32:02 Realism and doing the impossible

00:37:29 Productivity and self-worth

00:40:53 Embracing boredom instead of acceleration

00:46:14 Developing a taste for problems

00:50:21 Radical incrementalism

00:57:30 “Originality lies on the far side of unoriginality”

01:01:06 How time management distracts us from wonder

01:03:50 Oliver’s approach to new year resolutions

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0:00.0	You see all this stuff in the culture about how you've got to learn to say no.
0:03.4	And I quote Elizabeth Gilbert in the book, making the point that like,
0:06.4	we just instinctively assume that what that means is saying no to all the stuff we don't want to do
0:11.6	so that there's enough time for everything that matters.
0:14.4	And she says, no, no, it's much harder than that.
0:16.0	You've got to say no to lots of things that do matter that you do want to do.
0:19.2	Hello and welcome to the psychology podcast.
0:27.6	In this episode, I talked to bestselling author Oliver Brickman about his latest book,
0:32.4	Four Thousand Weeks. On the surface, it's easy to mistake this book for another self-help book
0:37.4	on time management. But this book is very different. Instead of infusing about productivity hacks
0:43.2	and making sure that we're super humans, Oliver challenges his readers to confront the
0:48.4	finite nature of humanity. By doing so, he argues, we can live four lives without having to
0:54.7	always carry the fear of missing out. We also touch on the topics of procrastination,
0:59.4	positive psychology, flow, realism, deep time, and patience. This was a really, really stimulating
1:08.0	episode and I hope it helps you in this new year live a very good life. So now without further ado,
1:15.6	I give you Oliver Brickman. I'm definitely a fan of yours now.
1:20.8	That's very kind of you to say.
1:23.4	What a great book. So how's your own time management coming along this year so far?
1:30.0	It's been a challenge, right? Because you write this book about things you've learned about
1:36.9	time and how to use it. And then it's kind of done better than I expected. And so now,
1:46.1	I've got more emails to answer and more potential opportunities to pursue. And all the issues I thought
1:53.5	I'd got that handled, you know, a sort of kick into a different degree.
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