Well done. You've sorted through the embarrassment of riches that is the modern podcast landscape

and found me Rob Briden on my podcast. In this series of Briden and I talk to among

others Harry Hill, Ben Elton, Charlotte Church, Steve Cougan and Dame Harriet Walter.

And that's just a few. We tend to chat for about 45 minutes to an hour never longer.

It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

So do join me Rob Briden wherever you get your podcasts.

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The Panic is a new comedy podcast from Wondery that leans into our most absurd anxieties and

defuses them with humor and actual advice. Listen to Don't Panic on the Wondery app or

wherever you get your podcasts.

From ABC, this is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

This guy is so interesting and he kind of checks so many of the boxes for an ideal 10% happier

guest. Not only is he a meditator, but he's he you write to weekly column for the guardian

called this column will change your life. It's all about social psychology, self-help, productivity,

science of happiness. He is also an avid and ardent and very effective critic of the power

of positive thinking and the secret and all this junk. And in fact, you wrote a whole book

about it called the antidote, happiness for people who can't stand positive thinking

in which he explores the upsides of negativity, uncertainty, failure and imperfection. My

kind of guy, his name is Oliver Berkman. He's really smart. And in this episode, we talk

about positive thinking, we talk about meditation. We also talk a lot about productivity. He's

writing a new book about all these productivity hacks that have become so popular. Well, he's

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