Old and New Rights | Interview: George Hawley
The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg
The Dispatch
4.7 • 6.6K Ratings
🗓️ 11 May 2026
⏱️ 73 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention. |
| 0:18.0 | Can you digger? |
| 0:27.5 | Greetings, dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought you by the Dispatch |
| 0:31.9 | and Dispatch Media. |
| 0:34.1 | Very excited about today's guest. |
| 0:36.4 | He wrote a really sort of lovely piece for us at the dispatch as part of the next |
| 0:42.8 | 250 series on the enduring lessons of fusionism. |
| 0:46.8 | And just full disclosure, this more than a lot of podcasts, even for me, is probably |
| 0:53.2 | going to get in the weeds on conservative stuff. |
| 0:55.7 | For people who like the weeds on conservative stuff, I predict you will enjoy it. |
| 1:00.3 | And for those who don't, try to stick around and maybe you'll acquire the taste. |
| 1:05.1 | But I have with me, George Hawley, he's an associate professor of political science at the |
| 1:09.7 | University of Alabama. He's the author of of political science at the University of Alabama. |
| 1:11.5 | He's the author of many books, a bunch of which I just bought this week when I realized them. |
| 1:16.7 | He's the author of many books, including conservatism and a divided America, the right and identity |
| 1:22.6 | politics, and the more moderate majority, as well as a particular interest to me, |
| 1:30.0 | right-wing critics of American conservatism. |
| 1:32.9 | So, George, welcome to The Remnant. |
| 1:34.4 | Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. |
| 1:36.3 | Yeah, I have a lot of guests on here who don't really know the full residence of the term |
| 1:42.8 | the remnant, but I assume you're a little more familiar with it than |
| 1:45.6 | others. But why don't we sort of start with what you wrote about for us on fusionism? |
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