Shift is brought to you by Eaton. We make the Electric Revolution work. Hi everybody welcome to shift a podcast about mobility. I'm your host Pete Bigelow.

And this is Leslie Allen. Hi everybody.

Joining us on the podcast today is Olaf Soccer's general partner at Red Blue Capital,

a venture capital firm that specializes in mobility companies.

But before we get to Olaf, first Leslie, I have a big question for you.

You were kind of testing out your own mobility

equipment last week on on the big RV trip. How was it and what did you think of

the RV?

Thanks so much for asking, Pete. The RV trip was fantastic in a word.

We had a great time.

This was a rental RV, and I know renting RV has become quite popular especially since the onset of the pandemic.

The only negative, and there weren't very many negatives at all, the only negative that I can really know here is a gas mileage, you know, these motor homes tend to get relatively low gas mileage and prices are now as you know above $3 a gallon so the cost of pretty

penny to go a long distance in an RV. Otherwise we had a really great time. There's some challenges in driving these things

especially through construction zones, but after a while you get used to it. I did not actually

drive to be honest, my husband did all the

driving but we had a great time visited some really great campgrounds and

looking forward to doing this again. Well while you were out on the road last week, I took a little bit of a road trip myself.

I was in Chandler, Arizona, which many of our listeners might know is the major public road testing round for Waymo.

It was interesting Leslie in that obviously you and I have done any number of driverless tests rides over the years where we had communication staff

had set something up or we were on some sort of closed course or those

things with a safety driver behind the wheel.

And what struck me in Chandler was I just checked into my hotel,

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