Let's podcast alongside Joe Jillio.

I'm Joe Ovious.

We are not inside Eifford Studios today.

We are still in Charlotte for ACC kickoff.

Today we will be focused primarily on NC State. Quick programming note, we sat down with Commissioner Jim Phillips. We put that out as an O-G-O-T. That should be in your podcast feed. It's also on YouTube. What do you think of our conversation with the commissioner? Did you put any ads in it? No, I didn't put any ads in it. Interesting. It's no GOT. Did you put blue wire ads in it? Yes. Okay. I did put blue wire ads in it. Otherwise, you're giving me the 20 and I'm giving you the 10. I remember the Easter. Easter Automotive Group. You can sell your car to the Eastern automobile.

You don't just buy them.

Just get your car fixed there too. Oh, oh. And Copiers Plus, of course. Was there. Because of the presenting sponsors. Oh, sweet. So, chat's Copiers Plus. Check them out online. Copiers.com. No, I feel like. Keep our carpet champions happy? You have to. I feel like Jim is on a little bit of a offensive.

Yes.

And trying to be aggressive. champions happy? You have to. I feel like Jim is on a little bit of a offensive.

Yes. And trying to be aggressive. Now, he's saying fighting for the league, but I think he's doing

better to promote the league. But that was somewhere where he was lacking last year, obviously

during the football season. But I also don't think that's his nature.

Yeah. I think he's more of a behind the scenes. You know, you can't be in this business as long as he's been and go out there fighting on every corner. Of course not. You know what I mean? Like, there's not how you get ahead. I would do that and I would be, you know, fired on a Wednesday and April. That's what happens, right? So it's not, it was not in his nature, but I think, to put that on a t-shirt.

Yeah, fired on a Wednesday, April. That's the antithesis of positive vibes always, which is the shirt we gave to Jim Phillips because he is eternally positive. So I don't think it's in his nature, but I do think it kind of struck me. It sounded like maybe there has been some sounding board for him that has suggested to him that it's important for him to promote the league. Yeah. And I thought, as we talked to him about it, using those numbers and really just kind of hammering people with facts. Yeah. Hey, this is where we are we're doing this is how we've grown this is how the expansion move which you may not like

helped us yeah those are all good things well that's why I asked him the question you know now that

he's been the commissioner for a few years and you see how these things are going you know do you

evolve in how you sure present yourself in the league?

Yeah.

I think, and it's funny, I've been doing some radio hits.

I know you've been doing some radio hits as well.

And one of the questions that I'll get is related to how Jim Phillips sounded like, oh, like, show a little fight on Monday.

I mean, again, in what his capability is. And I agreed. I'm like, yeah, I think, to your point, I think they're trying to fight the perception battles with the facts, right? Here are the numbers. Here's the money. Here's what we're doing. Here's the success initiative. Everybody was on board with this. Nudge, nudge, which wink, just like everybody was on board with that grant a rights. Twice. So these are all things that I think everybody has an opportunity to grow and we'll see how this goes. And of course, and this is what I've also been telling people who have been asking this question about the ACC. We can talk up the league all we want. We really can. And you can get frustrated by the yeah, but that ends up happening if

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