Brian Laird on WNYC, you might say the Republican Party used to have an abundance theory of energy policy, develop all kinds to keep energy bills low. But an article on the

climate-focused news site, HeatMap, says, not anymore. At least there's tension in the party

about that. We'll talk now about the new energy restrictionists, including President Trump,

who made headlines on this yesterday, and we'll get HeatMap's take on the Paris Climate Treaty,

which just turned 10 years old this month. Did you know that? Looks great on paper. We'll see how much it

changed the climate. With us now are two guests, Robinson Meyer, founding executive editor of

HeatMap. He wrote the Paris Accord story, and J.L. Holesman, senior reporter at HeatMap on her

article, the party of all of the above is now the party of anything. But Robinson and Jail, thanks for

coming on today. Hey there. Thank you so much for having us. Very excited to be here. Thanks for having

us. Jail, let me start with you since since there's a major new development in your story,

maybe start by telling us what President Trump did yesterday on this topic.

Yesterday, the president used national security claims to order and halt work to the five offshore wind projects

currently under development off the coast of the United States in the Atlantic.

What this ostensibly means is that gigawatts of energy that could power whole city's worth of human activity have suddenly halted.

What we are experiencing under this federal government is a restrictionist approach to quote

unquote renewable energy, wind, solar energy at utility scale to power

human activity.

And the offshore wind industry has been the most vulnerable target of this government because

it relies entirely on acreage or waters that are under federal control.

And so yesterday, what happened was a potential death knell for the capacity for offshore wind to develop in the United States.

Listeners in New York City, that includes the Empire Wind Project,

which you may remember, was halted before. And then in a deal with Governor Kathy Hochell,

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